The CIA and the UFO mystery have been linked since 1947. Since then, several CIA officers and former US military personnel have directly promoted Ufology by making astonishing observations.
R. James Woolsey, Derrel Sims, Lue Elizondo, David Fravor and other former CIA and US military officials have described how the existence of a reality around us that we cannot see may be an important component of the UFO phenomenon.
Jim Semivan and John Ramirez, two veteran CIA employees who have taken a personal interest in UFO/UAP issues and cases, appeared on George Knapp’s show to discuss the CIA’s involvement in UFO research as well as their own experiences.
Jim Semivan worked for 25 years as an operations officer for the CIA.
Jim Semivan worked for the CIA for 25 years before joining Tom Delonge’s ‘To the Stars’ Academy with other former government insiders. He went into depth about how he got into the CIA and mastered the espionage trade, which takes years to master. Because the CIA operates on a “need to know” basis, Semivan was not aware of any UFO studies, despite the fact that CIA analyst Kit Green was known for his interest in the paranormal.
Jim Semivan served for the CIA for 25 years as an operations officer. Semivan detailed his own alien encounters with his wife that began in 1990 and included entities appearing in their bedroom.
He claimed the encounter was real and not a hypnagogic or dreamlike state. Afterward the pair experienced occasional poltergeist activity in their home and he recently claimed to have seen a hooded figure resembling the Death Eater character from Harry Potter, who may have appeared to announce the death of a close friend.
Semivan agreed with Skinwalker Ranch researcher Colm Kelleher’s observation that the UFO phenomenon is about much more than nuts and bolts and machinery, since there are also emotional and biological factors that add to the strangeness. He noted that examination of “metamaterials” from To the Stars with unusual isotopic ratios (perhaps linked to UFOs) was still ongoing.
Semivan said in the first part of the interview: “I think they mention that the phenomenon is a natural part of our universe and we are living in it, but we don’t recognize it. In the same way that insects and animals don’t recognize the human universe.
“A cat and a dog can be running around a library, but they have no idea what books are about and what libraries are. We can be walking through our existence and there is a whole other reality surrounding us that we simply don’t have the ability to see or interact with.”
“He seems to be peeking into our little consensual reality. As I explained to someone once, he comes over, he teases us, he flatters us, he lies to us, but you can never take him home to meet the parents. He won’t let you do that. There’s no formal introduction.”
“Also there is no ontology which is just a fancy word, basically it means there is no framework to even discuss it. We don’t have a common lexicon. Someone said we have dots but no connections. I don’t even think we have dots,” Semivan continued.
In the second part of the interview, John Ramirez, a 25-year CIA veteran specializing in ballistic missile defense systems, was introduced. He detailed his longtime interest in espionage and how he transitioned from a Navy officer to the CIA in 1984. He compared gathering intelligence to working as a journalist for a news organization, except that his sources for his reports were usually top secret.
He, like Semivan, has had what could be classified as alien abduction-like events, such as being placed on an examination table in a circular craft. Interestingly, he indicated that several of his CIA and NSA colleagues have also had UFO encounters. He has learned of instances where Russian radar has detected strange craft while working on missile defense, and claimed that in one incident, they tried to coax a UAP to land.
CIA historian Gerald Haines wrote about the agency’s UFO investigation from the 1940s through the 1990s for a section called the Office of Scientific Intelligence, according to Ramirez. Ramirez was particularly intrigued by the fact that the division employed personnel with backgrounds in life sciences and medicine, implying a potential interest in extraterrestrial bodies.
Lue Elizondo has made these points in several interviews, but in this one, he was asked to expand on his observations about how our senses are reductive and limit our world, and how this relates to the phenomenon.
He replied, “This is something we’ve been dealing with for a long time. Imagine the first person to get in a boat and sail into the horizon. There are stories of sea monsters and Krakens that will devour you and destroy your boat. Yet we did it anyway. We sailed and explored the world.
“It turns out that 500 years later, sea monsters really do exist. We call them the Great Pacific Squid, great white sharks and whales. Now they are just part of nature and have a scientific name, but these sea monsters still exist.
“They are there, we just learn to understand them. Maybe that’s it. Maybe this is just another expedition over the horizon, where we’ll realize that what we thought were monsters are just neighbors.”
We can add Franc Milburn, a strategic and operational consultant and former intelligence officer, to the list of those who suggest that the phenomenon is all around us all the time, and that our diminished senses are limiting our ability to perceive it. Comparing his comments to others who have said similar things, I think it seems like a narrative is beginning to form.
In the last 10 minutes of this interview on Darkness Radio, Milburn weighs in on the aspects of the phenomenon that the general public will have the most difficulty accepting as reality.
“I think people can understand that now. Like, okay, we might not be alone in the universe. But they’re still thinking in terms of ETs, extraterrestrials, people visiting us in some sort of physical spaceship.
“I think what will really strike people, and what they can’t quite wrap their minds around, is the kind of broader, weird weirdness that Dr. Jacques Vallee and Eric Davis wrote about.
“The kind of high weirdness of the various phenomena. Things at Skinwalker Ranch like the poltergeist activity. You know, the cryptids. You know the fact that all these things seem to have these disembodied voices.
“The fact that UAP and this kind of phenomenon seem to happen in a very close area and seem to be interconnected in some way, perhaps. You know, cattle mutilations.
“That’s where I think it’s going to be problematic, for people to understand. The fact that the phenomena can exsanguinate cattle and kill dogs, and fill people with a kind of adrenal, pheromonal fear. That it can control people’s minds.
“So these are things that I think people are going to have a big problem understanding. The fact that there are invisible entities that can have evil or benign intentions that are operating all around us and you can’t see them. There’s a whole different kind of parallel world existence that intersects with ours.”
“I think that’s what people are going to have a hard time understanding.”
And now think about microscopic organisms and what it took for us to become aware of them and see them. Imagine how much more there might be that we simply aren’t able to perceive yet.
We call people who have seen otherworldly things crazy quite often, but who’s to say that these people simply haven’t caught a glimpse of something that is actually always there, but usually imperceptible to us on a normal basis?
